Dont get me wrong I think they look good... but when you weigh in product vs. $ for them... to me they are just still pipes. There is nothing wrong with the stock pipes. I guess what I'm trying to say is is there really a HP advantage to these pipes vs stock pipes?? or when you weigh in the $ to HP gain of these if its really worth it?? I think money can be better of spent into a diff product to gain real HP.